The Latino population of the U.S. is going to have to decide if they really want to be Americans. For much too long the U.S. has been complacent and too lax when it comes to enforcement of immigration laws. This has led us to the present condition that threatens our way of life and makes our ability to control our borders impossible.

We must now correct this and it doesn’t matter that it will be painful for us and illegal aliens. If we allow this to continue the problem will only grow. Now is the time to stand up and protect our country.

The people of the U.S. are basically kind and generous. We tend to let things get out of hand before we correct our mistakes. However, eventually we wake up and face reality.

Remember, these people do not consider us and our rights only their own subjective needs and desires.

Ask those people that are protesting if they found me in their house without their invitation what they should be able to do about it?

David Ray

Excellent post. You said exactly what needed to be said. 

So you have personally interviewed each and every Latino in Oklahoma? You are confident that each and every one of them have no desire to become a citizen, only want to use our resources and that's it? Blind. Closed minded, and well for lack of a better term, ignorant. This kind of mentality is what causes issues between races.

We should have been this strict from the begining. Lets just look at parenting 101. If you tell your kid he's going to get grounded for something, he does it and you don't ground him guess what? This whole thing is exactly like a bad case of parenting. We fell lax and now we are paying the price. We allowed this to happen in the first place and now we are all lying in our beds crying about it. I am for and against the bill. I am a human being so the social issues it will cause I think are sad.

I am also an American who loves her country and I believe that if you come here you need to do it right. I also know that there are latino's and people from other countries who want nothing more than to have a good life and have just as much patriotism as I do. There are just as many Americans sucking off the government with no intentions of paying that money back as there are latino's coming over.

You want something to gripe about? You are worried about people crossing the border. It's not the ones coming over to live that are so dangerous. It's the drug runners. My brother is a federal agent for the Border Patrol and he says that his life is more threatened by the runners than the ones trying to better their lives. There's a huge difference.

The hypocrisy of this town amazes me. It's ok to let so and so work your lawn or pave your road but they should never ask for anything in return. We allowed this to happen. We sat back on our rear and let it go down without a word and now we are all shocked. Of course they are going to try to make a better place for their families. Of course they want the best for their children. Don't you? If you were put in the same situation I am willing to bet you would do the same and if you want an example. Switching jobs. How many of you have taken another job because the benefits were better? It is human nature to better your situation and I don't think we can fault anyone for wanting that.

So no *****. The entire Latino community is not like that. Are there some out there that are? Yeah. Do we have trailer parks full of white and black trash, sucking off the government cheese with no intentions of getting a job and continually popping out more kids? Yeah. Bad people are everywhere but it doesn't mean they are ALL bad. To think so sends your mentality so far back to the dark ages it isn't funny.

Tega,

You hit it right on the nose.  I am a Mexican American and I totally agree.  I have been to Mexico City and other parts, not the beaches of Cancun or Acapulco, but the big city.  I bet most of these people you mentioned would last 1 week down there making the money the Mexians make for an honest weeks salary.  I would pay for their plane ticket just to watch them try.  I have the resources to do just that, but I don't think I'd have any takers.  We haven't had reprocutions yet, ie: hight produce prices, not being able to find roofers or construction workers, etc.  I'll say a prayer for your brother on the border.

Thanks for saying it like it is

Juan.

Tega,
           You probably seem like a really intelligent person to alot of people.  Sorry, I don't see it. I've read several of your posts, and to be quite honest... you come off to me as a blow hard. I guess since I complimented the guy on his post, I'm just as ignorant & close minded as he.  Did you read mine?   I couldn't help notice how you didn't comment.  Most of your replys seem rude & belittling.  Seems you're more into debating  than actually throwing out quality information that might capture people's interest. Everything you've said has been said before.  Why is it anytime someone speaks out against illegal immigration people like you see it as stereotyping ALL HISPANICS or ALL LATINOS?  You're one to talk about close minded people.  "So you have personally interviewed each & every Latino in Oklahoma?"  That statement alone kills your credability. Sounds like you have it all figured out though.  Just let the ones in who are coming here to better their lives right?  Sounds simple enough to me. Here's a little something to think about however.. There was an Hispanic woman who brought in a fraudulent SS card into our office a few months back.  The number just happen to belong to a 34 year old man out in California.  After she was informed that the number was stolen, she advised us she only used it for employment puposes.  If that was the case, then why was she presenting it as her identification to get service?  When she racks up a high bill & gets shut off for non pay, another family member or friend is right there in the wings to pull the very same thing.  There is absolutely no possible way to catch them all.  So...  a few years go by and John Smith (a hard working law abiding citizen out in California) goes into to purchase a new car or decides to buy that dream home for him and his family.  Everything is fine until the credit check comes back.  Seems he has several bills he was totally  unaware of.  You see..  Ms Illegal Immigrant has managed to rack up hundreds of dollars in unpaid  utilitiy bills using his social security number that she has no intention of paying.  Now it's up to Mr. Smith to fix his credit that the poor innocent Ilegal Immigrant (who came here merely for a better life) has screwed up.  How messed up it that Tega?  Now go multiply that by several thousand.  That's how messed up it is!  Some, not ALL.. but some, have absolutely no regard for anyone in this country and it pisses me off to no end.  I've seen it many times with my own two eyes so please stop insulting my intelligence and others who are fed up with this mess. You claim your brother is a federal agent.  Humm...  Did he tell you that he feels his life is more threatened by the drug runners rather than people just coming over here to live?  Or was that something you figured out?  I can see how he would feel that way.. makes a whole lot of sense to me.  Exactly how do you know it's not the ones coming over here to live that are so dangerous?   Do you really know for a fact?  If so, then how do you know?   You have no unearthly  idea who is over here or what they're even doing any more than I do.  Ever heard of a front?  I'm not being paranoid, just realistic. If they're over here legally, more than likely we know who they are & probably what they're up to.  I don't understand how you can make such a silly comment: "So you interviewed each & every Latino in Oklahoma?" then turn right around & make the following self-rightous  statement: "It's not the ones coming over to live that are so dangerous it's the drug runners".  How do you and your brother know what they're doing if you don't even know who they are?  There's your hypocracy.  If you indeed love your country the way you claim you do, you had better wise up and stop acting like you know so much. You don't need to beat up on the people who are fed up with this Invasion.  Everybody knows it's our Govnernment that screwed it up.  It's already been said over & over & over again.  It's absolutely perfectly fine to have compassion and empathy for people that are innocent in this bad situation.  But like I said before, they need to consider everything especially their families before they choose to come through the back door.  So you go on and be " For & Against the bill " all you want.  Just stop bashing the ones of us who have a backbone  to take back our country.  Read my posts Tega.  If you have an intelligent beef, then voice it.  Please don't bother playing that broken record again though cause I'm bored with your artificial intelligence.. 

“I guess since I complimented the guy on his post, I'm just as ignorant & close minded as he.  Did you read mine?”

 

* Yes, I read it and it was a non- response provoking comment.

 

“Most of your replies seem rude & belittling.”

 

* I’m not a kiss a** and never will be. If I tell it like it is and someone doesn’t like it I really don’t care. (By the way I am correcting your spelling as I respond…try not to get offended)

 

“Everything you've said has been said before.”

 

* Newsflash: Everything on this board has been said before. Pay attention.

 

“Why is it anytime someone speaks out against illegal immigration people like you see it as stereotyping ALL HISPANICS or ALL LATINOS? “ 

* In the post by David Ray he states ‘Remember, these people do not consider us and our rights only their own subjective needs and desires.’ The term “these people” to me denotes that he is including everyone.

* The identity theft issue is not specifically limited to a certain race. To even use that as an example is ignorant. I deal with identity theft every day and it is not narrowed down to one demographic.

“Some, not ALL.. but some, have absolutely no regard for anyone in this country and it pisses me off to no end.”

* Your entire post could have been simplified to that one sentence.

“You claim your brother is a federal agent.  Humm...  Did he tell you that he feels his life is more threatened by the drug runners rather than people just coming over here to live?  Or was that something you figured out?”

* Yes, that is directly from the agent himself. He says that a lot of the Mexicans coming over to better their lives or help their families are for the most part not harmful. They get caught, they cooperate, they get sent back, they come back and try again later. That’s pretty much the cycle. There are some that are dangerous. Desperation can make a person insane. However, the drug runners set out with intent to kill from the start. My brother has had bombs thrown at him several times. The drug runners cause the biggest safety issues out there and not just for our border patrol, for the people who end up with the drugs in the end. The drug runners are so dangerous that when some of the Mexicans coming over get caught the first thing they say is that they don’t have drugs.

 Am I against them coming over here illegally? Yes.  Not to mention the fact that I have a family member putting his life on the line every day trying to stop as much of it as he can. If they are coming to America they need to do it right. It doesn’t make it any less poignant that things are so desperate that they resort to drastic measures. My brother is also a drill sergeant and has been in the Military for almost 18 years. He’s as hardened as it gets but says he still gets tears in his eyes when at least once a month they find a woman and her babies dead in the desert because the elements got them. Things go so completely desperate that she would rather die trying than sit there and watch her babies starve. It’s just a bad situation. You aren’t human if you can’t understand it. Again, I think they should be legal if coming to America but I am not so blind as to not be affected by their plight.   

“Everybody knows it's our government that screwed it up.  It's already been said over & over & over again.”

Yes and nothing has been done about it so people will continue to gripe about the government over and over again this is not news and if it bothers you, change the channel.

“Please don't bother playing that broken record again though cause I'm bored with your artificial intelligence.” 

My artificial intelligence somehow provoked you to write a small novel (which, again was a long way around a short bush) so apparently said artificial intelligence was enough to make you think about something.

Oh… and one more thing….

“you come off to me as a blow hard.”

That’s alright because to me you come off as a jerk so I guess we are even.

 

 * The identity theft issue is not specifically limited to a certain race. To even use that as an example is ignorant. I deal with identity theft every day and it is not narrowed down to one demographic.*   Well mine sure is .. not all, just the MAJORITY.  There I go again being a ignorant jerk.  Please excuse me.  That word majority seems to strike a nerve with some of you people doesn't it?  (By the way, some of us are telling it like it is... try not to get offended)  Thanks for fixing my spelling, that was nice of you. Spelling & snappy smart *** comebacks are the main thing.. Striking pic..

If you are in the business that you say you are in then you know there's another demographic out there that fits the bill. I am also working for a public utility and deal with name switching (you know what that is in this line of work) every day. Even if it were one demographic, to allow that to cloud your everyday judgement about a particular race is jaded. Maybe you're a glass is half empty kinda dude. Who knows.

"Thanks for fixing my spelling, that was nice of you."

Hey if you are going to question my intelligence be prepared to get it back dude. You sit there and say how belittling I am then say I have a lack of intelligence. I corrected your spelling because it's a peeve of mine. (By the way I only do that when someone harps on how intelligent they are.) There was a post back there about Indians that I replied to without saying a word about grammatical errors. They were so bad I had to decipher the code. BUT that person wasn’t harping on an intellectual soap box either.

You are pointing fingers charging with lack of intelligence, hypocrisy and belittling. You also site boredom. Yet you’ve hit up every link on this issue there is KNOWING it will be about the same thing. I think telling someone they are not intelligent is belittling don’t you think?

I do tell it like it is. That’s what got your goat in the first place. I don’t mince words because it’s stupid. Anyone that knows me knows they can come to me for the truth without blowing smoke. It’s always been like that.

As for my picture, serious opinions are being thrown around, I think it’s cool to have a face to put with a name.

 

Somewhere I read where you were stating that you don't look as Hispanic as the rest of your family.  I think that might be part of the reason for posting your pic. (maybe even a little insecurity.. I don't know) Don't really know why you felt you had to let people know that.  I'm pretty sure no one asked.(could be wrong though)  Maybe you just felt the need to show everyone how attractive you can be on Rockabilly night?  And yes.. it is belittling to tell someone they really don't think they're all that intelligent.  I never said I was that intelligent.  You however, come off that way with your snappy comebacks.  I also tell it like it is but don't feel the need to introject on everything just because I might have something witty or sarcastic to share about it.   I would have never responded to your postings if you had not been so critical about David's post.  It was an intelligent statement in my opinion as I'm sure it was to others.  To send the reply that you did was inconsiderate & rude to everyone that agreed..so right back at ya.. 

Is that a compliment mixed as an insult? Too much coffee dude? My membership & pic have been up well before the issue of this bill came around. Has nothing to do with being insecure about anything. I'm proud of my background no matter what I look like.

 Why did I let people know that I don't look as Hispanic as the rest of my family? Because in one topic a lady was concerned that just because you look Hispanic you'd be stopped and questioned. I mentioned that as a way to prove a point that looks do not always tell a persons nationality. I assume you haven't finished your post digging to realize that yet so I thought I'd save you some time on this fine Sunday and explain it.

Already explained my picture... name, face..etc. Again pay attention.

"To send the reply that you did was inconsiderate & rude to everyone that agreed"

So I have to agree with everyones opinion so as to not be rude. Guess what? Never gonna happen. If I don't agree with something I am going to say what I think. If I do agree with something, likewise. Don't like it? Don't care. This is a public forum and I will reply to any post I want to.  When you pull up a post it gives the name of the author before you open. If you hate what I have to say and my opinion makes you twitch, hey dude, pick another poster. You harp on intelligence and have tendency to whine. Do you realize this? Now, either pick an issue we can actually debate on or move on to someone else. This lovely banter is cute and all but there are other issues.

Tega, I think you are a very pretty lady. I can see the Hispanic look in you. Its beautiful. I am 100% Latina and you wouldn't know it, because I am very light. Everyone thinks you have to be dark to be Latin....Not true.....Go to Spain, Argentina, places like that. We are very light. In fact, there are white looking Puerto Ricans. Look at J-LO. She is light.....

Anyways, you are beautiful.......You have a right to say what you are.

Well thanks, thats really sweet. :) You are right. We are actually Spanish and not Mexican. My mother however is Irish. My twin and I are the lightest ones in the family but it was my brother that got the good stuff. He's dark with blue eyes! No fair! LOL Just goes to show you can't judge a book by the cover! :)

Don't have a pic, but my wife is from Mexico City and she is very dark complected, dark brown eyes and black hair and she is short.  I am Spanish and German, so I am 6 feet tall medium complected brown eys and dark brown hair.  When I go to Mexico, I feel like a giant some times, because there are only a few of my in laws that are as tall as I am.  I worry about her because she has to drive from Bartlesville to Tulsa for work and they are beginning to stop people more and more, some are friends of ours and they are telling me that they are checking for ID's on most of them.  I tell my wife to always carry her green card.

Most of the men in my family are short. The women are too. I managed to pull off a 5.6 but I'm taller than most of the women in the family. My daughter will be a little shorty too.

 I am worried that it will just be looks and so forth that will cause a lot of harrassment. Latino's are not the only illegals here. I wish you guys the best!

My thing with this bill is that it is now illegal for my daughter to have her father come and see her at our home or for him to ride down the srteet with us.  It is not the child's fault.  He is a hard working man and pays taxes, has his own business and owns his own home.   He dose not live with us but he helps to pay the bills and make sure we have what we need.  What happens if he is deported?  When this bill was inacted no one thought of all the children and how it affects them.  I feel that if a man is here illegaly and takes care of his American children he should be able to stay as long as he is not breaking the laws like selling drugs and other major offenceses of the law.  The children need both parents and if the father is sent back to his home country then it is a great cost to the children.  Things need to be changed for the children.