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  •  08-11-2009, 9:23 AM 4220080

    refering 2 religion 2 make a point n public schools?

    sperry public schools put a news letter once a month. newest issue includes a letter from the new interim superintendent jim sisney. he refers to proverbs 29:18. i thought there was seperation of church and state. i understand that everyone is entitled to there beliefs. but i send my child to be educated on fact based issues. religion is to personal and i believe school is not the place for that. plus i thought there were laws on that type of thing. i may be incorrect. but this is my feeling on the issue.
  •  08-12-2009, 10:57 AM 4220990 in reply to 4220080

    Re: refering 2 religion 2 make a point n public schools?

    How is quoting a reference to a specific text promoting religion?
    jd4fox23
  •  08-13-2009, 8:54 AM 4221752 in reply to 4220990

    Re: refering 2 religion 2 make a point n public schools?

    my concern is not just  about promoting religion. but where. he is an employe of the state. and there is a time and place for everything. if one person has to follow a rule then doesn't everyone one? if you are employeed by the state, live in the state, shouldn't you have to follow the rules of the state. and i may be wrong i just thought there was rules against religion in public schools. whether proveing a point or teaching it as a subject. he should be allowed to feel how he wants. i just don't feel as though a public school newsletter is the place to exspress it.
  •  08-13-2009, 2:09 PM 4221943 in reply to 4221752

    Re: refering 2 religion 2 make a point n public schools?

    allisonck:
    my concern is not just  about promoting religion. but where. he is an employe of the state. and there is a time and place for everything. if one person has to follow a rule then doesn't everyone one? if you are employeed by the state, live in the state, shouldn't you have to follow the rules of the state. and i may be wrong i just thought there was rules against religion in public schools. whether proveing a point or teaching it as a subject. he should be allowed to feel how he wants. i just don't feel as though a public school newsletter is the place to exspress it.

    I didn't hear his speech, so I'm only going on what you are discussing here.  That said, referring to a scripture text in a speech isn't akin to breaking the law.  It's not even morally wrong. People employed by the state are still allowed free speech, plus, if the laws made it illegal to quote text from specific religious documents, why would we stop there and not also ban quotations from our Constitution or Bill of Rights?  Where would we draw the line at what individuals could quote or not quote? Quoting a text is not an endorsement of religion.  It is simply an expression of agreement or disagreement of that specific text as it is applied in context.  That isn't illegal anywhere that I know of in the USA.  Our President and Congress and other governing bodies are all allowed to express their belief in a higher power... why not this person?


    jd4fox23
  •  08-14-2009, 9:23 AM 4222513 in reply to 4221943

    Re: refering 2 religion 2 make a point n public schools?

    i totally agree where would u draw the line? and i don't consider it law breaking. his reference was in a public school news letter. and i just thought religion wasn't allowed to be exspressed in that manner in public schools. this is just my opinion but, reffering to the constitution or bill of rights. is completely different than refering to the bible. the constitution and bill of rights are written law. something we all have to follow in this country no matter what religion we follow. the bible is a book we choose to believe is true. where as the constitution and bill of rights are documents that we must follow to legally live in this country. but that really wasn't my point i just thought there was a seperation of church and state. but i do agree with u that  it is not morally wrong. just didn't think that was the best way to exspress ones self to a community. when there are so many differernt types of beliefs in that community. i just think of the peopl as whole and that some people could find this to be impressionable on our kids and if they don't  believe in a god that could hurt their impression of that school system. and are school systems have enough problems. i mean and this is just hypothetical but what if he would had refered to a satanic book, which he would have the right to do, but he shouldn't. right?, there would be a lot more people in a up roar. my point is just there is a time and place. i believe u should have the right to believe anything. but not go to work and exspress it when others children are involved.
  •  08-14-2009, 2:54 PM 4222752 in reply to 4222513

    Re: refering 2 religion 2 make a point n public schools?

    allisonck:
    i totally agree where would u draw the line? and i don't consider it law breaking. his reference was in a public school news letter. and i just thought religion wasn't allowed to be exspressed in that manner in public schools. this is just my opinion but, reffering to the constitution or bill of rights. is completely different than refering to the bible. the constitution and bill of rights are written law. something we all have to follow in this country no matter what religion we follow. the bible is a book we choose to believe is true. where as the constitution and bill of rights are documents that we must follow to legally live in this country. but that really wasn't my point i just thought there was a seperation of church and state. but i do agree with u that  it is not morally wrong. just didn't think that was the best way to exspress ones self to a community. when there are so many differernt types of beliefs in that community. i just think of the peopl as whole and that some people could find this to be impressionable on our kids and if they don't  believe in a god that could hurt their impression of that school system. and are school systems have enough problems. i mean and this is just hypothetical but what if he would had refered to a satanic book, which he would have the right to do, but he shouldn't. right?, there would be a lot more people in a up roar. my point is just there is a time and place. i believe u should have the right to believe anything. but not go to work and exspress it when others children are involved.

    How is quoting a bible verse promoting religion? 

     

    jd4fox23
  •  08-14-2009, 4:18 PM 4222790 in reply to 4222752

    Re: refering 2 religion 2 make a point n public schools?

    what else is it doing?proving a piont or trying to get one across it is still refering to religion in a place that i thought to seperate from church
  •  08-16-2009, 4:32 AM 4223991 in reply to 4222790

    Re: refering 2 religion 2 make a point n public schools?

    He would have gotten away with it if he didn't say "Proverbs 29:18". Though this is a reference from the Bible, he's not preaching religion. He could have used a line from Buddha, Confucius, Plato, and a host of other people (Religious in there own right).
    Could he have used this quote? "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice." Would he then be labeled a Nazi? (I quoted Adolf Hitler).

    Could I get away with Quoting the Bible? Honestly, I was a Christian until I moved to Oklahoma but greatly distanced myself when I moved down here.

    Well, I do quote the bible without religious intent! It doesn't mean I am jamming some religion down someones throat, I do it because everyone is familiar with the book.
  •  08-16-2009, 5:16 PM 4224383 in reply to 4223991

    Re: refering 2 religion 2 make a point n public schools?

    i just think there could be a better way of exspressing one s self when you are in the public eye and the public consists of so many religions. and if he hadn't said pro. 29:18 would have never known what he was talking about i am not very familar on the book.  if u don't mind me asking why when u moved to the bible belt do you then choose to distance yourself from being a christian. just curious.  also i love yor point of view he could have qouted adolf and most people would have noticed.

  •  08-16-2009, 7:29 PM 4224397 in reply to 4224383

    Re: refering 2 religion 2 make a point n public schools?

    allisonck:
     if u don't mind me asking why when u moved to the bible belt do you then choose to distance yourself from being a christian. just curious.

    When I came down I was looking for a church. I went to many churches that were more worried about saving your money than you.
    Other Churches seemed kind of Snooty.
    Did go to a couple Churches that seemed really nice. The preachers were good and I enjoyed listening to them. My issue? They danced around issues and didn't seem to have any kind of conviction. Don't get me wrong, they were nice churches, But they were telling you what you wanted to hear, not what you needed to hear.
    So, I gave up.

  •  01-12-2010, 10:38 AM 4294854 in reply to 4222790

    Re: refering 2 religion 2 make a point n public schools?

    While you're complaining about a reference to scripture, please ensure that your children remain in school during the Easter and Christmas holiday breaks.  It appears hypocritical to complain about one, and not the other.

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