If I ever win the lottery, I will spend every penny of it for the downfall (or at least the restructuring with all new personnel) of Oklahoma's current DHS system.  I have been reading posts from Tulsa and Oklahoma City and found too many cases like mine that were completely unfair.  You see, they don't want psychologically damaged children because they can't make the money adopting them out like they can the stable children.  I'm looking into options such as petitions for the whole department to examine each and every case where parents have lost their rights or DHS is attempting to remove rights in detail.  The media is already involved in reporting mishaps such as the recent daycare incidents here in Tulsa and in Oklahoma City where people's ssn's were just put in the dumpster and not properly disposed of.  This state has invested too much money in taking kids from they're homes and not enough in their education.  My 9 year old neice lives in another state and had computer lab when she was in kindergarten which would never happen in Oklahoma.  This states education has been left behind because DHS has to remove the wrong children from their homes just to be able to justify their spending.  I wrote two of our senators and one didn't respond while the other one simply replied

"Dear Mrs. Cook:  Thank you for contacting my office regarding your difficulties with DHS.  As this is a state matter, I have forwarded your correspondence to Governor Frank Keating.  I am sure you will be hearing from his office shortly.  James M Inhofe, United States Senator" 

This was dated July 31, 2001 and I never received a response before Governor Keating left office.  So, the Senate is not going to be any help with DHS at this point but the Governor's office might.  There seems to be a petition or something that we can do.  I have plenty of vacation time and would be more than happy to create a signing post somewhere where people can sign (even people that haven't ever had dealings with them) and my mother still lives in Oklahoma City and can do the same there possibly.  They need to be investigated on both open and closed cases where removal of parental rights were mentioned and followed through with or still pending, also where child abuse was proven and nothing was done to protect the children. 

Does anyone have any idea how to start such a petition and possibly the legal terms needed for it to get attention by our state government????  I have created a special email address for suggestions so you can Email me at sassygirl_ba@yahoo.com if you do please.

When you first posted I thought "wow, I feel for this lady, she has been through alot" but then someone posted their own OPINION on this FORUM and you go nuts and totally changed my OPINION.  You see, that's what this forum is all about;  Expressing OPINIONS, BELIEFS, and DIFFERENT POINTS of VIEW.  We may not all spell correctly or use perfect grammar but its about putting what we think about topics out there and discussing it.  It may not be politically correct, in good taste, or in line with what other think or feel but its our thoughts.  We don't always agree with each other and may quibble back and forth but its all in good fun. Then you come along and give us all a good show that makes me think "Maybe DHS saw something in this lady that is now coming out on this forum..........CRAZY!  You're talking lawsuits, selling children to the highest bidders, deceased grandfathers, high blood pressure and I'm sorry but LOONY is just blaring out of your post.  The more you post the crazier you sound.  And one other thing.....if your attorney couldn't get back your kids from DHS, how in the heck do you think your "replacement attorney can win a libel lawsuit?  Sounds like your the one who needs to get their money back.  And one other thing, you prove that a good education doesn't mean sh%t when it comes to raising kids.  If you want to sue me, sister, get in line because better people than you have tried. 

Me is begining to think Fox23 should put
"Idol Threats"
under
"Idol Chat"

mrywilley:

When you first posted I thought "wow, I feel for this lady, she has been through alot" but then someone posted their own OPINION on this FORUM and you go nuts and totally changed my OPINION.  You see, that's what this forum is all about;  Expressing OPINIONS, BELIEFS, and DIFFERENT POINTS of VIEW.  We may not all spell correctly or use perfect grammar but its about putting what we think about topics out there and discussing it.  It may not be politically correct, in good taste, or in line with what other think or feel but its our thoughts.  We don't always agree with each other and may quibble back and forth but its all in good fun. Then you come along and give us all a good show that makes me think "Maybe DHS saw something in this lady that is now coming out on this forum..........CRAZY!  You're talking lawsuits, selling children to the highest bidders, deceased grandfathers, high blood pressure and I'm sorry but LOONY is just blaring out of your post.  The more you post the crazier you sound.  And one other thing.....if your attorney couldn't get back your kids from DHS, how in the heck do you think your "replacement attorney can win a libel lawsuit?  Sounds like your the one who needs to get their money back.  And one other thing, you prove that a good education doesn't mean sh%t when it comes to raising kids.  If you want to sue me, sister, get in line because better people than you have tried. 

  I felt sorry for her too when Stormer seemed to be attacking a woman who was already beaten down by the system, but now I am put off a bit also, does sound a bit disturbed. I still think Stormer was wrong to jump on her like that, now it looks like a case of not quitting while you are ahead for the lady. I am pretty sure if you decide to bare your soul on a forum, you can't sue if you get creamed by another blogger.

True, true.  Sounds like she has more problems than just DHS.  Stormer was a bit rough but the lady started out talking about "selling kids to the highest bidder" so her cheese was sliding off the cracker right from the start and the more she posted the crazier she got so hopefully she'll get some help and be able to see her children soon.

First of all, I would like to appologize to the lady about "SOME" of the things I've said.  However, you took a dive and a complete ***** of a lawyer tell you to admit to wrong when you "SUPPOSEDLY" did nothing.  Weither you did or not remains to be seen.  However, any normal human being in this world would have never plea bargained to that crap.

Lady, you want to go ahead and sue me.  Go right ahead.  Don't think for one minute you scare me.  Your claim is unfounded and liveless and any attorney that'll tell the truth will tell you the same.  BTW, this isn't russia either so I can say whatever I want whever I want and to whoever I please.  Don't like it, tough.  Don't read.  As far as your husbands blood pressure.  Let me give you a little taste of what a judge will say.  AWWW, TOO BAD.  GET OVER IT.  DON'T LIKE WHAT MR. STORMER SAYS THEN DON'T READ IT.  In case you haven't figured it out, this is a free speaking forum.  Meaning I can spout off anything I want.  Haha, malpractice action.  Get real lady.  It's pretty clear on this board that if you have a problem with what I posted then you need to report it.  Since you failed to do that and I've not recieved anything from Foxnews forums about anything I've posted I can only assume I'm still in the right.  A judge will see that too.  You may want to go back and read the laws.  THis is not any magazine or news paper article and nowhere did I even make a dime off the statement.  Freedom of speech lady, read it and weep. Lady, you posted your dirty laundry on here.  You can't get offended since you opened the door for the public to see.

Lady, I'm well within my rights on this board and if I happen to do get drug into court by you or your attorney then I will countersue for legal harrassment and infringing on my rights.

Again, lay with dogs you are bound to get the fleas.  Writing bogus checks make you no more than a common theif.  I don't buy your story one bit because I was in the same situation and I never went down for it.  THe lady in question that wrote them is still playing fines

As far as my education is concerned.  I can already tell it far exceeds yours.  Yea, I'll misspell words here and there.  Last I checked this wasn't a spelling class.

As for your 9 year old neice, I don't know what school in OK doesn't but the schools in my surrounding area provide computer labs for kids k-12.  I don't know how long they've been doing it but they do do it.  If you are so down on Oklahoma then maybe you should move.  I love the state and don't plan on moving.

As for your little conquest of changing the DHS system.  Good luck.  If I could help you any, I would.  Believe me, I've had to deal with them myself and a very unsatisfactory level while holding a position that required me to deal with them.

I appologize to everyone else on this board too for having to read all this.  However, I still stand that this woman should have fought harder and not laid down.  So you lost your attorney, at least you would have taken a stand.  No court would let you go in without proper representation.  Read the laws since you are so eager to spout them off against me.  Everyone has the right to proper representation.  May not like the representation but that doesn't mean you have to settle for less than what you are worth.  Again, it is your fault that you haven't seen your kids since 2000.  I would have never let it get that far.

Again, I appologize and wish you the best of luck.  However, I still stand on some beliefs and if you want to sue me for it then by all means lady go for it.

btw, obtaining my IP and name, address, and etc so that you can drag me into court over a liveless accusation could land you in more hot water than I.  Let's see, to obtain my IP, you'd probably have to break into my comp to get it.  oh wait, that's invasion of privacy right there isn't it?  Then there's the fact that you've illegally obtain my name, address, and etc.  OH MY GOD, that's stalking.  In Oklahoma, stalking someone is a serious offense and will stand up more than your petty false accusation charge.  Better think before you do lady, looks to me like it's gotten you into a lot of hot water in the past.

Also, my monster accusation isn't considered false since I'm referring to you and your husbands guilty plea that costed the both of you your kids.  Guess you have no case there huh?

Yes, that post may have been an idle threat, but when you go posting things about someone on a public forum that are untrue, it is called libel.  That is a fact.  I opened up that file last night to get that letter of response from the Senator and all the pain came back.  I am not crazy, and yes I may have problems.  But no one knows anything about me or my life and what happened before my children or after my children were taken from me.  Yes I do have unresolved issues.  But put yourself in my shoes for a moment.  How would you feel if you had your children stripped from you and you'll never see them again?  What do you think that does to your heart, soul, faith, mind, and emotions?  It’s easy for you guys to sit there typing on your computers giving your opinions.  It took me over a year to even step foot in their bedroom.  I don’t expect anyone to stop posting their opinions or feel pity for me, but don’t criticize me until you’ve experienced the same thing.  And when people post things that they claim are facts against me or my family . . . that’s when I do get determined and maybe a little O.C.D. or whatever you want to call it.  I do agree that once I get on something I do overdo it sometimes.  And thank you for pointing out that my ranting sounded crazy because it did.  Yes I did get help when during and after the case because it put me in a place that wasn’t good for me.  But my feelings for this state’s DHS system will never change.  And I’m not the only one who said they buy and sell children.  Go back further in the posts and you’ll see. 

I still think there needs to be a public investigation of DHS, and restructuring from the top down wouldn’t hurt either.  What do you think big companies do?  There are people who legitimately need assistance that can’t get it because there are too many people abusing the system.  I watched someone at the grocery store last night buy groceries with a food stamp card and pull extra cash out.  Then that same person used that cash to buy a case of beer.  Is that what our taxes pay for?  People to sit there collecting that pay each month to have more babies and get drunk?  They have an age limit on whether or not you can get fixed (tubal) and you must have 2 kids, so why don’t they set limits on how many children they’ll pay for?  Or set an acceptable time limit to get a job so they can begin supporting themselves.  Where I used to live still has such a limit and even if you don’t have a job, you’re still cut off and forced to get one.  I still say that DHS is more backward than a Kentucky hillbilly and more crooked than Satan himself.

stormer171977:

btw, obtaining my IP and name, address, and etc so that you can drag me into court over a liveless accusation could land you in more hot water than I.  Let's see, to obtain my IP, you'd probably have to break into my comp to get it.  oh wait, that's invasion of privacy right there isn't it?  Then there's the fact that you've illegally obtain my name, address, and etc.  OH MY GOD, that's stalking.  In Oklahoma, stalking someone is a serious offense and will stand up more than your petty false accusation charge.  Better think before you do lady, looks to me like it's gotten you into a lot of hot water in the past.

Also, my monster accusation isn't considered false since I'm referring to you and your husbands guilty plea that costed the both of you your kids.  Guess you have no case there huh?

  How I wish Oklahoma has such a thing as an ANTI-STALKING law, you might make the rest stick, I don't know, but no one cares if we are stalked, believe me, I know you can't get law enforcement to do anything about that. Figures doesn't it?

Acutally, if there is substancial proof then yes you can have a case.  In this instance, there would be.  Yes, Oklahoma does have an anit-stalking law.  It's suppose to be a very very stricked one.  But, it's like you said.  IT doesn't get inacted very much unless the evidence is practically screaming at them.  Then, don't even hold your breath, lol.  Yes, there's actually a law.  Yes, it's poorly enforced.

To you Hawkeye, it's hard for me to put myself directly in your situation because I do a great job in watching myself.  I have 4 kids right now with a 5th to be born this month.  I actually only have 2 children with a 3rd on the way and the other 2 are my stepchildren.  My oldest son doesn't live with me fulltime but that's not because i'm a bad parent.  Me and my ex are good parents so it's natural to leave with the mother.  We both share joint custody.  There's been times I felt my ex was going to try and say something but never has.  Let's face it, only time child welfare has ever gotten involved is when there were accusations against her and the daycare worker.  I can attest that my ex never hurt my son and shouldn't have been investigated but it's proceedure.  The daycare worker was in the wrong but it wasn't something that couldn't be corrected nor did it warrant her getting shut down.  Mistakes were made and corrections were also made.  We all now live in harmony.  Until the next problem I guess, lol.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if I was in your situation.  I would have "NEVER" given up.  Without my kids I'm nothing.  Without my kids, there's no reason for going on.  My kids are my only reason for being and when they are grown it'll be for the grandchildren.  Besides my wife, nothing else will matter.  It would take an army to be able to take my kids from me so anyone thinking about it better have one on hand.

Also, there's also such things as polygraph tests.  If I was facing loosing my children because of false accusations then I would have submitted to a polygraph test.  If you are innocent, it'll show.

As far as sounding crazy, I think your response was typical of anyone that faced any accusation that they may believe to be false.  If I knew I was innocent, I'd probably react the same way.  It's weither you think it all through or not that makes you crazy or insane.

I agree with you also that DHS does need an investigation done and restructuring from the top down is needed.  That's why I've been called to so many interviews with these people.  I truly believe that there are some people in DHS that do want to make a difference.  Believe me, I've talked to them just like I've talked to the ones that don't care.

Just to save you a nights sleep on your tax money.  Yes, I recieve foodstamps and my kids are on soonercare.  I work a fulltime job and a lot of times put in overtime.  My wife is a stay at home mother because it's cheeper living this way.  Like I said though, I'm one of those that's actually working for a living and doing for my family and not just letting the government support me fully.  Let's face it though, jobs around here don't pay a whole lot and sometimes a man's got to put his head down and ask for assistance when his family needs it.

As for the dude you saw getting food with foodstamps and taking money and buying beer.  Think of it this way, at least he wasn't spending the foodstamps on the beer.  There's nothing wrong with a working man going and getting food for his family and seeing he has a few bucks to buy some beer to sort of chill out from work.  A good days work deserves a beer.  Honestly, not my way but who am I to argue with anyone elses.  I don't drink and haven't for a long time.  That is, if indeed that's what was indeed happening though.  You were there, not I.

Indeed though, most of DHS is backwards.  I can guarentee you though.  If they ever got me in there(and they've came close to obtaining me) it would be a different story.

Yes I agree, I should've fought harder but I was becoming self destructive.  I kept doing stupid things like driving really bad and I didn't care.  I recall several times where I found myself wondering "if I hit run off that overpass then my kids will be taken care of with the life insurance."  Suicide crossed my mind alot.  It didn't help that my husband's ex-wife would follow me home from work from time to time.  That's whe we got cell phones and I had to call him if anyone was following so he could get to me and put a stop to it by confronting her and her friends while it was happening.  Everytime we would lose her in the same apartment complex because of so many different exits.  And I did get a different attorney at one point because they tried to put me in jail for not completing the parenting classes they required me to take.  I was still going to them weekly but there was a misreporting on their attendance records.  My new attorney started meeting me there so she could verify I was there herself.  Both my husband and I did take polygraph tests that we paid for out of pocket and DHS picked the guy who did it.  We both passed but the results were suppressed at the states request.  I suspicion it was because it didn't help them at all.  I'm sorry to hear that you yourself have had to deal with investigation.  You should feel lucky it stopped there.  I did in the beginning have a case worker that was trying to place them back in the home after she saw the polygraph results.  I have pictures of her with my kids.  She put in my file that she was recommending that after the classes were finished that I could begin unsupervised visits and then if they went well weekend visitation.  That way they could re-adjust before being placed back in my home permanently.  Then mysteriously she was no longer my case worker and I got a supervisor that decided to work my case herself who never returned my calls.  She also began putting in my file that I missed several appointments when I didn't have those appointments.  I had to start recording every conversation I had with them.  The phone records that were mysteriously sent to me after it was over . . . they showed calls to this supervisor and her calling them.  They always were around the same time of these "missed appointments."  I can't do anything about it now, but may her soul burn in hell all of eternity for what she lied about and what she did.  Believe me, there isn't a day that goes by that I don't regret making the choice that I made.  But it was my choice that I have to live with for the rest of my life, and I don't have to answer to anybody else but my kids for that choice.  Whether you do or don't receive assistance is none of my business, nor is it relevant.  What I do care about is the fact that there are far more dishonest people out there that are abusing it.  Which is preventing the honest ones who do need it from getting what they need.  And I do agree, there are quite a few people within DHS that are good at what they are supposed to do which is to help and not destroy families.  But there are, in my opinion, far more crooked ones.  They are supposed to talk to neighbors, friends, and family.  They did not talk to any of my neighbors, my friends, or my family about me.  They chose to believe his ex-wifes allegations simply because she was very close to him in recent years.  And You know that old addage "a scorned women."  If she couldn't have him then no one would and she proves that to this day by continuing her stalking.  I've gotten to the point now that I just smile and wave.  I've even blown her a kiss a time or two and chuckled because of how pathetic she really is.  On her 3rd husband right now and she had to drive 2 hours with another guy (not the husband) just to see me.  how special is that.  There were times when I wanted to rip her out of the car by her hair and beat the crap out of her.  Then my husband would tell me I would be no better than her if I did.  Oh well, tomorrow's the day of the month when she and her "friend" usually show up.  Gotta make sure the video camera is ready.

stormer171977:

Acutally, if there is substancial proof then yes you can have a case.  In this instance, there would be.  Yes, Oklahoma does have an anit-stalking law.  It's suppose to be a very very stricked one.  But, it's like you said.  IT doesn't get inacted very much unless the evidence is practically screaming at them.  Then, don't even hold your breath, lol.  Yes, there's actually a law.  Yes, it's poorly enforced.

To you Hawkeye, it's hard for me to put myself directly in your situation because I do a great job in watching myself.  I have 4 kids right now with a 5th to be born this month.  I actually only have 2 children with a 3rd on the way and the other 2 are my stepchildren.  My oldest son doesn't live with me fulltime but that's not because i'm a bad parent.  Me and my ex are good parents so it's natural to leave with the mother.  We both share joint custody.  There's been times I felt my ex was going to try and say something but never has.  Let's face it, only time child welfare has ever gotten involved is when there were accusations against her and the daycare worker.  I can attest that my ex never hurt my son and shouldn't have been investigated but it's proceedure.  The daycare worker was in the wrong but it wasn't something that couldn't be corrected nor did it warrant her getting shut down.  Mistakes were made and corrections were also made.  We all now live in harmony.  Until the next problem I guess, lol.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if I was in your situation.  I would have "NEVER" given up.  Without my kids I'm nothing.  Without my kids, there's no reason for going on.  My kids are my only reason for being and when they are grown it'll be for the grandchildren.  Besides my wife, nothing else will matter.  It would take an army to be able to take my kids from me so anyone thinking about it better have one on hand.

Also, there's also such things as polygraph tests.  If I was facing loosing my children because of false accusations then I would have submitted to a polygraph test.  If you are innocent, it'll show.

As far as sounding crazy, I think your response was typical of anyone that faced any accusation that they may believe to be false.  If I knew I was innocent, I'd probably react the same way.  It's weither you think it all through or not that makes you crazy or insane.

I agree with you also that DHS does need an investigation done and restructuring from the top down is needed.  That's why I've been called to so many interviews with these people.  I truly believe that there are some people in DHS that do want to make a difference.  Believe me, I've talked to them just like I've talked to the ones that don't care.

Just to save you a nights sleep on your tax money.  Yes, I recieve foodstamps and my kids are on soonercare.  I work a fulltime job and a lot of times put in overtime.  My wife is a stay at home mother because it's cheeper living this way.  Like I said though, I'm one of those that's actually working for a living and doing for my family and not just letting the government support me fully.  Let's face it though, jobs around here don't pay a whole lot and sometimes a man's got to put his head down and ask for assistance when his family needs it.

As for the dude you saw getting food with foodstamps and taking money and buying beer.  Think of it this way, at least he wasn't spending the foodstamps on the beer.  There's nothing wrong with a working man going and getting food for his family and seeing he has a few bucks to buy some beer to sort of chill out from work.  A good days work deserves a beer.  Honestly, not my way but who am I to argue with anyone elses.  I don't drink and haven't for a long time.  That is, if indeed that's what was indeed happening though.  You were there, not I.

Indeed though, most of DHS is backwards.  I can guarentee you though.  If they ever got me in there(and they've came close to obtaining me) it would be a different story.

  Yes, we do actually have the law on the books since 1999, but it is used almost exclusively with domestic abuse cases in which one or the other is stalking and or threatening to harm the other. Unless the stalker has actually broken the law by acting physically in most cases, no one will do anything, in other words, you have to be a victim of assault to get anyone to act on the law, only after action has taken place, if you are still alive, you can have them arrested and take them to court.

Well hawkeye, if that's what is indeed happening then I hope it all works itself out.  Could be why I've never gotten an offer from DHS, just not crooked enough nor do they pick up on anything like that during the interview process.  I had interviewed with Deleware county about 8 times now and still no budge.  I guess I know that I would not fit in there.  I'm no nonsense and have never BS'd any of my clients in the past.  And, it's because of that, I've always gotten respect.  Next time, try the other senator.  My mother has never went to Watts.  I can't remember the other ones name.  Someone help me here, lol.

 

Yea, it's like I said Patriot.  The law is there(just like a bunch of others) but is hardly enforced at all.

 

Got to give Cherokee county pd another shout out.  My stepbrother was having some trouble with some kids in school.  Normally, you let the school handle this.  But, in this case the kids threatened to find out where he lived and burn his family's house to the ground with everyone in it.  Yea, Cherokee county was called and Roger(can't remember his last name but he use to own the sinclar store in Peggs) went straight to the school and pulled the boys out of class and let them know the seriousness of their statements.  Since then, my stepbrother hasn't had a problem with them.  Says that they've been nice to him since.

trust me i feel for any parent who ever has the misfortune of dhs entering there lives. after 15years living with a very abusive man i finally found the courage to stand up and get my freedom from him but it ended up costing me my 3 daughters. my children witnessed VERBAL domestic violence and dhs considered that failure to provide adaquite supervision denial of critical care which is child abuse i didnt know that. i dont know any parent in the world who doesnt argue in front of there children so parents be ware if you raise your voice in front of your children you have abused them.becouse of this dhs took my kids my life  ive done everything theyve asked and still dont have my children i asked for family counsiling for me and my kids to learn how to live a normal life free of violence and that never happened so basicilly dhs dragged there feet long enough that the kids were out of the home long enough by iowa state law they had to terminate my parental rights. I feel like me and the kids have been abused by dhs this time ive done nothing wrong i felt i was doing the right thing and breaking away from a abusive man. but his threats if i cant have them i will make sure you loose them has come true with dhs help. I will never trust the system again and im afaid my kids wont either what message has this sent my kids? If anyone has any ideas to help me i would appreciate it. I feel helpless.My advise to any parent spread the word arguing in front of your children could cost you your kids dhs prays on parents who dont know the laws or there rights someone needs to do something but what?    

In my nightmare dealing with dhs i found out that we as parents are doomed from day one im fighting a battle in a small town with in my opion small town law my attorney,my kids attorney,my ex's attorney,dhs attorney who is the county attorny and the judge all seem to be against me i will walk into the court room they ALL will be talking about me and my case and when i walk in they stop it feels like they've already desided whats going to happen ahead of time i feel all alone fighting a loosing battle ive tried contacting other attorney's and as soon as i tell them its a bloomfield davis county case they all tell me no so i dont know what to do all i know is i refuse to give up these are my kids my life so if you learn of any way to fight dhs or this messed up system please let me know. I just wish dhs would consintrate more on familys who really need there help instead of distroying good familys.