I have listened to the news and to just about everyone on the house bill 1804. Just this moring on the broadcast I hear about employers who are willing to pay illegals cash money, therefore not paying FICA & FUTA taxes. Well my opinion on that is I am a American Citizen and I can't tell you how many times I have been asked to work for cash under the table. I know of many women,who are American Citzens, that have cleaning businessess and receive cash for their services. They do not claim there income so that way they don't have to pay taxes on what they recieve. It's not just illegals its Americans as well. I am tired of hearing people blaming all of this on illegals. Illegals have to pay taxes. They can not walk into a store and walk out without paying taxes. When they purchase a house or a car they pay taxes. When they get there tags for the vehicles they pay taxes. If anything our goverment is making money. Illegals are working with many dependents and don't file taxes when they receive their 1099's. They would more likely receive refunds but being they don't file who keeps that money that is taken out of there paychecks?

 I also heard not to long ago Sheriff Glanz stating that there will be not raids. The most concern is people who are in our jails. Well that would be fine but it's not true. Just yesterday there was a raid at Walmart on Admiral. They also raided a constrution site on Admiral street where 20 people were taken. I do agree if a criminal is not legal he/she should be deported, but not innocent people. I believe it will turn into so many people discriminating against others.

I think it would have been fair to offer some type of amnesty or something to offer these people that have been here for so long to give them a chance before making them loose all that they have and all they have worked for.

People say that they are taking advantage of the welfare system. Well I can not tell you how many Americans are doing that now! You see so many women who are on welfare but still have men living with them while they are receiving assistance. I know personally many that do take advantage of our welfare system and they are not illegal. Some even work for cash and still receive assitance.

Oklahoma needs to focus on so many other things than this bill. Just for instance our emergency rooms. My mother was taking by ambulance to a locally popular hospital. We waited for 4 1/2 hrs. with her in the hall way on a bed and not be attended. We made the decision to take her out of there because we could not get no one to help her. Luckily she was ok. This was on a Sat. that she was taken to the E.R. I asked the nurse if this was a busy day for them and she said not this is a typical day. So I am thinking if this is just a typical day what would happen if our city would need medical emergency response? You see the fire dept., police dept. practicing procedures in case there were ever any state emergency but in reality if there were such a thing so many people would die due to lack of medical response. Oklahoma needs to wake up and focus on so many other issues that are more important to our citizens. Our bridges are falling and still nothing is being done!!!

I think this bill is such a big mistake. We won't see the loss now but we will be losing so much because of this ridiculos bill. I hope and pray that something will be done to stop this bill because our communities will be losing. Also we need to stop blaming illegals for frauding when in reality American's are they ones that are taking from us not them.

 

 

 

I do not believe this was a mistake.  This just clearly defines that if someone wants to come and live in the U.S., especially OK then it needs to be done legally.  Follow the proper channels and I have no problem with you or your family coming here.  If you choose to do it illegally, then if you are caught-good riddance.

This law is not genocide or ethnic cleansing, this is about following the law.  If the largest majority of your ethnic group is here illegally, that is a choice you have made.  The U.S. did not make that choice for you.  Deportation was an action that these illegals are well aware of when they made the choice. 

I also heard a gentleman playing the sympathy card this morning.  Again, I say this is a legality issue, not an emotional one.  These were all options that the illegals were aware of when they chose to come here, thus choosing to break the laws of this country. If your family members are to be deported were you not aware this could happen?  Putting one's self in this position by CHOICE does not mean this country should treat you any differently than anyone else breaking any of our laws.  Obviously you will not be treated like a serial killer would, but you understand what I am saying. 

People say that they are taking advantage of the welfare system. Well I can not tell you how many Americans are doing that now! You see so many women who are on welfare but still have men living with them while they are receiving assistance. I know personally many that do take advantage of our welfare system and they are not illegal. Some even work for cash and still receive assitance. Unfortunately, yes there are legal citizens who "work" the system, but I do not believe we should let illegal aliens work the system either. Both situations should be addressed.  With illegal aliens not here then the government can focus on the legal citizens who are doing just that.

 Just for instance our emergency rooms. My mother was taking by ambulance to a locally popular hospital. We waited for 4 1/2 hrs. with her in the hall way on a bed and not be attended. We made the decision to take her out of there because we could not get no one to help her. Luckily she was ok. This was on a Sat. that she was taken to the E.R. I asked the nurse if this was a busy day for them and she said not this is a typical day. I am sorry that happened to your mother and it should not have.  I can tell you though, becuase I work at a hospital, the ER's are overloaded with illegal aliens.  If they have a medical problem-no matter what it is- a comon cold or their kid has an ear ache-they bring them to the ER.  The purpose of an ER is EMERGENCY-but as long as people (many illegal and without insurance) use an ER as a primary care physician's office the flow at an or any ER is going to remain back up.  While the staff does try to address the most critical first they (according to law) can turn down no one -legal or not.

Finally, someone on here talking sense. What has happened to the friendly people of OKLAHOMA?

politeness only goes so far!!!!! The time of being polite is over.

I hope that  comment doesn't come back to bite you in the butt.

I just have to respond to that. When we went to the E.R. the nurse did say people over use the ER. They do come in for simple things but let me tell u that day I would say out of the whole ER room at St. Francis there were 5 at the most that were hispancis there. Now if they were legal or not I do not know. So its not just the illegals. You should know that if you work in the ER.

I know that it is just not illegals using the ER's, but if you would go to the "indigent" hospital here in Tulsa (11th and Houston) and look at that ER you will see more of what I am talking about. 

I completely agree with you I'm from Muskogee and our law enforcement officials keep saying that they aren't just after everybody, but yet listening to the majority if the officers talk everyday frightens me. Many of them need to watch what words come out of their mouth because even if the illegal immigrants can't sue or get legal aid, many of the Hispanic people and "anyone who looks hispanic" have resources to take legal action. Many of my friends and family are leaving the state, not because they are illegal, but the promises of many ignorant officers, who say that "We don't care. If they look fu***** Mexican, we're gonna get their *****." Now I am aware that may just all be talk, having grown up in a town where the officers talk big because it makes them feel important but really won't do anything, but it doesn't make it right.

I worked in a convenience store for two years. One night a group of drunk men claiming to be Klan members came into the store asking where the black people where in this town. I tried to let the police know, but they thought I was making this up. But I guarantee if you call them today and tell them there is an illegal immigrant at that store they will be there in ten seconds. We have so many better things the law enforcement officers could be doing, like catching bad guys. It's sad that with the shape our schools are in now that they are going to be wasting time and money on this.

Excellent Points Made Here, There is certainly a lot of issues to deal with and unfortunately 1804 is one of them. Discrimination is on the rise and it's not a very good day to be Mexican American In Oklahoma. I was born and raised here and Oklahoma is usually regarded or seen as a hick state. Full of county folk and confederates. Should it be a suprise that 1804 got passed? I don't know you tell me!

I think Oklahoma fits a steriotype, and usually I'm one to defend Oklahoma and tell people that there's more than just cow's and hay, that we have our country sides just like any other state and we have our cities. My point is, I'm proud of being an Oklahoman but as of lately how can you take pride in a state that Discriminates against it's own citizens? Granted there trying to enforce immigration laws but to purposely pull over a man because he looks Hispanic is just ridiculous! Is this what our tax dollars go into? My goal and plan afte finishing High School was to get into Law Enforcement and if that's apart of the agend then sadly, I chose a wrong profession. I am willing to serve and do what's asked of me but to discriminate against my own people is just wrong! it's a given that white people will stick together, that black people will stick together and that Hispanics will stick together but in this world and in this great United States, We have a multi-cultural society and that's what makes us grand. Unfortunately it's this kind of shady police work that makes me lose respect in Oklahoma and I truely wouldn't want to move from here since it's my birth place and more than anything, my home! but If I chose to, it would primirly be on the idea that Oklahoma has residents who want to keep it a "white" state and in reality goes to show that they were no better than the KKK. So much for religion and God and being his children regardless of who we are and where we came from.

LOOKS LIKE THE CHURCH IS THE ONLY THING THAT IS WILLING TO PUT THERE LIBERTY ON THE LINE FOR WHAT'S RIGHT AND FOR WHAT'S JUST. B/C THE PATH THAT OKLAHOMA IS TAKING IS LITERALLY UNJUST AND THE EASY WAY OUT. IT'S USUALLY THE EASY WAY THAT TURNS TO BE THE HARDER WAY.   

CONTINUING TO FIGHT TO BE IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY IS THE WHOLE PROBLEM .  IF THINGS HERE SEEM UNJUST TO YOU WHY DON'T YOU LEAVE? AND IF YOU WISH TO STAY,  BECOME LEGAL. 

THIS IS A SIMPLE LAW.  BE HERE LEGALLY OR LEAVE.  WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

Hell yeah, hb 1804 is a big farce,.Unless you live under a rock, and cant understand the financial, political, social implications, of such a socialist implication of set standards.Do you trust your government?,Across the nation, see whats happening' with the issue of so called illegal immigrants,.In the name of homeland security, a National ID, system will be implemented. The press must publish under the assumption of at and below  the eight grade level of comprehension . and the State legislature does about the same thing..30 million illegal immigrants are already in this country,hell-fire, the IRS says it can not return 110 million dollars, because the the post office cant deliver the return checks.We the people have an opportunity  at this juncture, not to repeat the past but to move foreward, Are we not able to assist and accept a culture and absorb them into our society, and not ostracize, and drive away a potential gold mine of future American citizens,What will become of the US, with a tunnel vision, out of  focus, reality, is these people are here and are here to stay.

No1804:

I have listened to the news and to just about everyone on the house bill 1804. Just this moring on the broadcast I hear about employers who are willing to pay illegals cash money, therefore not paying FICA & FUTA taxes. Well my opinion on that is I am a American Citizen and I can't tell you how many times I have been asked to work for cash under the table. I know of many women,who are American Citzens, that have cleaning businessess and receive cash for their services. They do not claim there income so that way they don't have to pay taxes on what they recieve. It's not just illegals its Americans as well. I am tired of hearing people blaming all of this on illegals. Illegals have to pay taxes. They can not walk into a store and walk out without paying taxes. When they purchase a house or a car they pay taxes. When they get there tags for the vehicles they pay taxes. If anything our goverment is making money. Illegals are working with many dependents and don't file taxes when they receive their 1099's. They would more likely receive refunds but being they don't file who keeps that money that is taken out of there paychecks?

 I also heard not to long ago Sheriff Glanz stating that there will be not raids. The most concern is people who are in our jails. Well that would be fine but it's not true. Just yesterday there was a raid at Walmart on Admiral. They also raided a constrution site on Admiral street where 20 people were taken. I do agree if a criminal is not legal he/she should be deported, but not innocent people. I believe it will turn into so many people discriminating against others.

I think it would have been fair to offer some type of amnesty or something to offer these people that have been here for so long to give them a chance before making them loose all that they have and all they have worked for.

People say that they are taking advantage of the welfare system. Well I can not tell you how many Americans are doing that now! You see so many women who are on welfare but still have men living with them while they are receiving assistance. I know personally many that do take advantage of our welfare system and they are not illegal. Some even work for cash and still receive assitance.

Oklahoma needs to focus on so many other things than this bill. Just for instance our emergency rooms. My mother was taking by ambulance to a locally popular hospital. We waited for 4 1/2 hrs. with her in the hall way on a bed and not be attended. We made the decision to take her out of there because we could not get no one to help her. Luckily she was ok. This was on a Sat. that she was taken to the E.R. I asked the nurse if this was a busy day for them and she said not this is a typical day. So I am thinking if this is just a typical day what would happen if our city would need medical emergency response? You see the fire dept., police dept. practicing procedures in case there were ever any state emergency but in reality if there were such a thing so many people would die due to lack of medical response. Oklahoma needs to wake up and focus on so many other issues that are more important to our citizens. Our bridges are falling and still nothing is being done!!!

I think this bill is such a big mistake. We won't see the loss now but we will be losing so much because of this ridiculos bill. I hope and pray that something will be done to stop this bill because our communities will be losing. Also we need to stop blaming illegals for frauding when in reality American's are they ones that are taking from us not them.

 

 

 

We the people expect our borders to be secure and there has never been a problem accepting and helping immigrants into our society.  This country is based on the fact that people have come here legally since day one and made this a better place.  People who take the time to be here legally know this about our country.

The threats and words of discrimation are only fueling misunderstanding of the situation.  Why is it so hard to understand that even though this country legally admits more immigrants each year than all the others put together, some think they should not have to adhere to the same policies those people have?

Again, the problem is illegal, law breakers, refusing to become legal US citizens. If you are here illegally, expect trouble if you get caught, just like the rest of this country who gets caught committing a crime.

You know, I just wonder how long, it will be, before I see the TV commercial.-,Do you know of ,,or have you lost a family member ?or loved one, due  to Deportation? contact the offices of Terrill,, Terrill, & Terrill, for a fee we can Get you the Help you need...I ask,, Do you Trust your Government? We are all spiritual beings , the vessels of Faith, I need to see each day, as an inspiration of Hope.I want to be of a purpose for my fellow man, and myself, to see the awesome wonder of my creation as just a humble servant for all things great and small.

might  not b a mistake  for u sunshine  of course  u are an american
jaja  i aint scared  let ice  take  us back  but u know what 
lets  talk about  americans  trashing  our country  like acapulco<cancun>?
how  many  of ure  pple  have done that?
so just  because u guys  walk in legaly  u guys got the rigth to trash our country  rite?
yeah  but Mexicanos cant  cross the border ilegal  cause  we are comitng a crime
u know  there are some of us  who are here  to make a better living and dont mess with no one
me as a mexicano  im a shame  of all this ignorance  that oklahoma is going true  i hopeu guys  dont regret it 

ill dare any  american  to cross the border  to mexico  with no money  no credit card  nothing on their wallet  lets  walk as ilegal  and see  how  far  we can go

but  of course  mexico has the borders  open to any one 
how many americans  go to mexico an rape  our pple  but of course  is an american
how many  Blacks  are  robing  hispanics at  little mexico?
wat is tpd doing about it?  not a damb thing  of course is a mexican 

Mexicanos  and americans  together  we can stand
we wont give up  we will fight till the end 
ohhh  i god we trust
but  not one the  sherrifs  or tps  cause  tpd  is not targeting hispanics  naaaa
only  30%  of them  70 %  aint  y  cause  they know  not all of us  are trash like  u sunshine  make us look like  and yeah  i been here since 1996  and  u  guys  will find me e-z