3boys:

Hey cricket your up to.  I'm yelling at the boys to get dressed.  Ya viste que my Church finally said something, I'm Southern Babptist.

Yep! 3boys, I get up early. soy baptista tambien. como estas? como hablar??  We are suppose to send in English, so others can understand, sorry.. You have tex-mex from Texas, I have from Spain, it's different from yours, but it's ok with me.(cricket)

In my household we speak two languages. Both English and Spanish. Growing up in New Mexico everyone spoke both languages regardless of your race. In fact to this day it is not unuseal for you to carry on a conversation with complete strangers in both languages.  I don't understand why some people become offended by others speaking a different language that they don't understand. Is it rude

to go to another country and expect everyone to speak or understand English because you can't speak or understand their language? America is home to the immigrants. An example is today. Growing up we were taught in our schools that Thanksgiving was a holiday to join the Indians and the English. Back then was it expected that the Indians had to learn English because they could not communicate. "NO" both learned each other’s language. What is the difference?  I have several friends from different nationalities, that wish their parents and grandparents would have taught them to speak the language of their heritage.

I for one have always advised my children if there is something you do not understand, there is no harm in asking. If you really want to know, you will learn a different language. Two of my daughters speak three languages.  There are so many different issues that need to be addressed, in regards to this new law that the focus has total gone "South" (no pun intended).

An issue I have with this new law, is if I do not ask everyone who rides with me if they are here legally, I am considered a felon. How ridiculous is that? Does this make all the school bus drivers and church bus drivers’ felons as well? In addition, the amendment that our so-called representative is attempting to pass in regards to taking away citizenship from children being born in the US to illegal immigrants is totally way off the wall.

Our fore fathers when they wrote the constitution indicated:”All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

 

You know what victor your right i'm an american citizen but, i'm totally against the law 1804. It's bull **** how low our country can get and discriminate people like this. Especially, when we should be worried about the terroists of 7-11. These hispanics have never done nothing to us. They came here to better their lives. They wouldn't have a problem with paying taxes or anything if our f****ing government made them legal it's bull crap that these poor people have to go through all this. I don't give a f*** to the people that don't agree with me i just want the people that do agree with me to write me back. Thanks oh yeah and F*** all the people that are haters towards hispanics!!!

                Guess what i'm an american and I LOVE HISPANIC PEOPLE!!!   NOW WHAT???

ashleynicole:

  It's bull **** how low our country can get and discriminate people like this. Especially, when we should be worried about the terroists of 7-11. These hispanics have never done nothing to us. They came here to better their lives. They wouldn't have a problem with paying taxes or anything if our f****ing government made them legal it's bull crap that these poor people have to go through all this. I don't give a f*** to the people that don't agree with me i just want the people that do agree with me to write me back. Thanks oh yeah and F*** all the people that are haters towards hispanics!!!

                

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I'm confused, I read the bill and there is nothing about deporting anyone for speaking another language.

I also never read where it was targeting just Hispanics as it is targeting ALL illegal immigrants.

I am also confused as to why people are coming unglued because they feel there race can break U.S. laws and do it with impunity.

I am sure the illegal immigrants would be quite upset if U.S. citizens illegally set up camp in there apartments and nothing was done about it.

If illegals can get away scott free for doing crimes, then I am sure they won't mind if we unluck the jail and let all of our U.S. criminals out. After all, if one race can break our laws with immunity, then ALL races should be able to to.

Well said kindagreywolf......

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I just have to respond:

 

First, they aren't going to just stop any mexican on the street and deport them, they have to commit a FELONY CRIME first!  Who told all these people that they would get deported just for walking down the street?  Obviously if they read and understood English they would have understood that.  But then again, somebody probably got offended and just started spouting bs just to get attention thrown at the issue.

Second, the bill didn't break families up.  The families should have thought about what could possibly happen if ever they had to be sent back to Mexico with American born children.  I don't think the law has anything to do with breaking families up, the family themselves made the choice and this is their consequence.

Three, other countries have much harsher laws and punishments for being illegal.  I know in England they are extremely racist there, my mother lives there and the police were knocking on her door once when a race riot was fxing to start between two different race groups, one being English.  This was happening in her neighborhood.  By the way, she is there legally and is a legal citizen of the UK.

Four, I did notice a lot more "Help Wanted" signs posted up (even way before xmas season started) and I heard a bunch of teens talking about how they now can get a job because all the mexicans fled in fear.  It's been nice going through the drive thru and being able to ask for something they left out of my bag without getting a strange look because they don't understand what I'm saying. 

Five, you have to be a CITIZEN of THE UNITED STATES before you can claim the law "unconstitutional".  It's a shame families are breaking up, and I'm sure the parents are claiming they wouldn't be splitting up if the US had been more sympathetic, but it's not anyone's fault but their own for coming here and assuming they wouldn't be at risk of any sort of punishment for being here ILLEGALLY. 

I'm in favor if the law, I don't like going to the store and having to turn heavy products around because the spanish side is out and I can't read the contents.  I'm tired of watching 7 year old kids translate for their parents while I wait with my four kids in line because Mom doesn't understand what the cahsier wants.  I'm tired of seeing that same 7 year old kid translate the ATM machine and making me wait in line yet again because she doesn't understand.  I'm tired of seeing them wanting equal rights when the law don't apply to ILLEGALS. 

I'm voting for a president that will enforce national laws against illegals.  I'm tired of getting important papers and seeing mexican translation in parenthesis. I'm not fond of my kids being forced to learn spanish in elementary school.  I remember when you could learn to speak another language in high school if you wanted to.  Now they force it on your kids in Kindergarten.  When I worked as a waitress, a group of mexicans would come in to the diner and only one would speak english....barely.  Then get talked about when they think I don't understand them.  I understand enough to know when they are making sexually explicit comments about me.  Maybe that's why people don't it when people speak other languages around them, because there's several times when we are the subject of the conversation.

Thank you Marlin! and Touche Tinuviel_33!

Additional lawers have been added to the hispanic case to stop HB-1894.  Martin Perez is one among 100 reconized as the most prestigious constitutional lawyers in America. He is a Civil Rights lawyer in Virginia. Twenty five others of the legal defense fund are also being consulted. Attorneys representing Oklahoma Governor Brad Henry and Attorney General Drew Edmondson have asked Payne to dismiss the lawsuit, offering what many legal observers feel to be nothing more than a series of flimsy claims designed to postpone the inevitable striking down of the law.First the state claimed that the lawsuit should be dismissed because it was filed before 1804's implementation date of Nov.1. Henery and Edmondson believe the suit should be dismissed because no-one has been arrested yet. The two elected officials also feel they should be removed as defendants, even though Henry, as Govenor, signed the divisive bill into law and Edmondson, as Attorney General, is responsible for it's enforcement. " These Defendants have no connection to this statute," the motion for the dismissal mysteriously maintains. Claiming that the plaintiffs cannot establish that they or anyone else has been harmed by HB 1804, Henery and Edmondson assert that living under an unconstitutional law is not by itself sufficiently injurious to warrant overturning such a law. This idea is viewed by critics as being not just absurd, but unconscionable. " These are elected officials, who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution," a spokesman for the plaintiffs said. CONLAMIC's national President Rev. Miguel Rivera has called for the bill's author, Randy Terrill (R-Moore), to resign from office for sponsoring what Rivera feels is frivolous and immoral legislation. (note:) this is the latest on the Federal Court dealings, in case anyone wanted to know.  (cricket)

cricket:

Additional lawers have been added to the hispanic case to stop HB-1894.  Martin Perez is one among 100 reconized as the most prestigious constitutional lawyers in America. He is a Civil Rights lawyer in Virginia. Twenty five others of the legal defense fund are also being consulted. Attorneys representing Oklahoma Governor Brad Henry and Attorney General Drew Edmondson have asked Payne to dismiss the lawsuit, offering what many legal observers feel to be nothing more than a series of flimsy claims designed to postpone the inevitable striking down of the law.First the state claimed that the lawsuit should be dismissed because it was filed before 1804's implementation date of Nov.1. Henery and Edmondson believe the suit should be dismissed because no-one has been arrested yet. The two elected officials also feel they should be removed as defendants, even though Henry, as Govenor, signed the divisive bill into law and Edmondson, as Attorney General, is responsible for it's enforcement. " These Defendants have no connection to this statute," the motion for the dismissal mysteriously maintains. Claiming that the plaintiffs cannot establish that they or anyone else has been harmed by HB 1804, Henery and Edmondson assert that living under an unconstitutional law is not by itself sufficiently injurious to warrant overturning such a law. This idea is viewed by critics as being not just absurd, but unconscionable. " These are elected officials, who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution," a spokesman for the plaintiffs said. CONLAMIC's national President Rev. Miguel Rivera has called for the bill's author, Randy Terrill (R-Moore), to resign from office for sponsoring what Rivera feels is frivolous and immoral legislation. (note:) this is the latest on the Federal Court dealings, in case anyone wanted to know.  (cricket)

 

Cricket

Have you read what Terrill has been saying.  How happy he is that more Hispanics are leaving.  Everytime he talks its against the Hispanic people.  The bill might not be racial, but the aurthor of the bill sure is by what he says.  If he wasn't racial he wont mention a certain race.  Here is the website to that story.

http://www.okgazette.com/p/12776/a/1301/Default.aspx?ReturnUrl=LwBEAGUAZgBhAHUAbAB0AC4AYQBzAHAAeAAslashAHAAPQAxADIANwAyADkA

Thank you!!! Its about time that someone understands that Hispanics arent the only ones doing all this things. You know i am a family member of that little boy who got killed. Why dont people notice that? They only notice when hispanics do something. I know that there is some illegals who do things that they arent suppose to do. But there is also alot of ligel people that do things even worse... All iam asking is for all of you people to stop blaming everything on HISPANICS

Thank you, i am a family member of the little boy who got killed while mowing his lawn. and yeah nobody has done anything about it. I have nothing againts black people but if it had been a mexican who would have killed another little kid. They would have done something about it, why do people only see what hispanics do?? why dont they first take a look at their race then look at ours. First take the time to change your self  before you try to change somebody else...

sandra:

Thank you!!! Its about time that someone understands that Hispanics arent the only ones doing all this things. You know i am a family member of that little boy who got killed. Why dont people notice that? They only notice when hispanics do something. I know that there is some illegals who do things that they arent suppose to do. But there is also alot of ligel people that do things even worse... All iam asking is for all of you people to stop blaming everything on HISPANICS

Your welcome Sandra, I came to Fabians home after the incident and spoke with his parents, I totally agree that if it was turned around, something would have been done. I have posted threads on here regarding the incident of Fabian. After the girl stated it was a rasist thing, the media stopped talking about it, and it had nothing to do with race, they made it a race issue to get free with murder. (cricket)

I am so sorry for your loss.  I remember that story and it was just horrible.  Please accept my condolences.  I do agree that a race card was played.  Compaing what happended to the Jenks football players and the driver of the car that killed your relative was wrong in my opinion. 

I think that this nation in many ways has become to politically correct.  We try too hard not to offend people of all races. 

I believe that all people regardless of their race should be treated equally under the law, unfortunatley I do not believe that will ever happen, sadly so.

 

Didn't the aunt of the driver (the one who gave permission to drive) go to jail?