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  •  11-23-2007, 9:29 PM 2202502 in reply to 2175052

    Re: 1804 Big Mistake.

    I'm tired of all of you racist people out there. If you have a problem with them maybe you should go not them. We don't want you here. I'm an american citizen and i love hispanics. They are the best human beings in the world. And, a matter of fact we all once came here illegally go back into your history books dumbass... well that's all i wanted to say your a racist *** but, i bet you wouldn't say that out in public. You'll get your ****** beat.
  •  11-23-2007, 10:47 PM 2202699 in reply to 2202502

    Re: 1804 Big Mistake.

    ashleynicole:
    I'm tired of all of you racist people out there. If you have a problem with them maybe you should go not them. We don't want you here. I'm an american citizen and i love hispanics. They are the best human beings in the world. And, a matter of fact we all once came here illegally go back into your history books dumbass... well that's all i wanted to say your a racist *** but, i bet you wouldn't say that out in public. You'll get your ****** beat.

    I'm not sure if you are mad at the people who are for housebill 1804 or if you are mad at someone else, ashley. 

    I don't think the issue has anything to do with "love".  I believe the issue is about breaking the law.  It just happens that many illegal immigrants are hispanic.  A person can still love and care about human beings, but also feel it's wrong to allow them to get away with breaking the law. America isn't a repository for everyone who just wants to come here.  We don't have unlimited resources, either, so we have to limit who can come here legally, and we do that by having immigration laws. 

    Every other country in the world has it's own immigration laws, so why is it a shock that the US has immigration laws, too?

  •  11-24-2007, 8:23 AM 2203141 in reply to 2202699

    Re: 1804 Big Mistake.

    We should look at the WHOLE picture.

    Ask the borders of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas, if they mind illegals crossing the border. They do not mind the trash they leave all over, there buildings broken into and stuff stolen. Not to mention the sewers, water pipes and whatever else they damage to get through.

    Now there here and most (not all) of them get cars, without licenses and insurance. Ask the people that are hit by these idiots if it's ok. They love the thousands of dollars that they have to pay out of there pockets, because some jerk hit them without insurance.

    Please, don't cry and moan that our roads, our schools, our police, and everything else that is in disrepair can't be fixed because Illegals and the people that hire them do not pay taxes.

    Please don't complain if you have to wait in the E.R. because a couple of illegalls are there, then cry because you have a high hospital bill because they have to get there money from someone else.

    9 times out of 10 if your afraid of the law, it is because you are doing something illegal. "I'm a legal immigrant but I am afraid that I am going to get caught without a license and be deported", How retarded is that? It is 100% retarded unless there is some law that makes Hispanics immune to having a license, By the way, that would be "Racist".

    The bill is far from rascist. We have illegal Chinese, Iragians, Iranians, Russians, Etc here to. Down south it is mostly Hispanics.

    This racism crap needs to stop to. Not everything has to do with race, especially when your participating in ILLEGAL activities.

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  •  12-03-2007, 7:01 PM 2238056 in reply to 2114747

    Re: 1804 Big Mistake.

    Breaking the law is breaking the law and when it costs tax dollars to keep these illegal aliens then that affects me and my family.  There are legal ways of coming into this country to live and to work.  Let them do it legally and I have no problem with it.  There are enough legal citizens that take our tax dollars when they should and could be working to pay their own way.  Why should a legal citizen be penalized by being made to pay for the services used by these illegal aliens?  I'm am in the 34% tax bracket so I feel I pay more than my share of taxes.  Taxes are important to help those who really can not help themselves and to pay for our infrastructure but to see it going to support illegal's is a slap in the face to me.
  •  12-05-2007, 1:19 PM 2245643 in reply to 2202502

    Re: 1804 Big Mistake.

    I am a born legal American citizen and have Hispanic friends who completely understand that this law is to target illegals period.   Accusations and representations are only because people are determined to fight to do exactly what we are trying to stop which is illegal entry to this state.  I am personally aware of good paying construction jobs in this area that are available for legal hard working people.  If someone wishes to come to America to work and live then get a work visa to be here legally and start the process of becoming a legal citizen as have ALL OF THE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS THIS COUNTRY IS BASED ON of which many are Hispanic.  

    The people (not the race) who are fighting to be illegal are not helping their cause. 

     

  •  12-06-2007, 2:43 PM 2251515 in reply to 2245643

    Re: 1804 Big Mistake.

     This 1804 law is sush a mistake!!! What happend to America is a Free Country??? All of you people should understand tha most hispanics arent here because they want to, we are here because in seek of a better future, for us and for our famalies. I was born in Texas, but my parent are illegal. And if it was up to them they would go back to mexico, but they dont leave because of  us. Their kids. because they want a better future for us.they dont want to harm anyone all they want to do is work and make a better of us. the reason that hispanics come here is to work and to help their families. Wouldnt you all do the same thing??? If you guys had the apportunatie to go to another country to make a better of your self and your family    WOULDNT YOU GO????? i am sure you will.

     

    just think about all of  our famalies we leave behind. juz so we can make anough money to support them.  dont you all think it hurts to spent Chirstmast with out your family?? yes but those are some of the sacrifises we hispanics have to make!!!!Broken Heart

  •  12-06-2007, 3:30 PM 2251734 in reply to 2251515

    Re: 1804 Big Mistake.

    America is a "free" country to its citizens and everyone has sacrifices to make so stop the whining!  Anything worth having is worth working hard for and I know plenty of Asians who have had to work for years and jump through all kinds of hoops in order to get here LEGALLY.  So why do a lot of Hispanics feel entitiled to "jump in line"?  Sure its expensive and the paperwork is daunting but if you're going to go to all that trouble chances are you're not going to screw it up.  How can anything good come of having your first action in the US as breaking the law? 
  •  12-06-2007, 3:33 PM 2251753 in reply to 2251515

    Re: 1804 Big Mistake.

    sandra:

     This 1804 law is sush a mistake!!! What happend to America is a Free Country??? All of you people should understand tha most hispanics arent here because they want to, we are here because in seek of a better future, for us and for our famalies. I was born in Texas, but my parent are illegal. And if it was up to them they would go back to mexico, but they dont leave because of  us. Their kids. because they want a better future for us.they dont want to harm anyone all they want to do is work and make a better of us. the reason that hispanics come here is to work and to help their families. Wouldnt you all do the same thing??? If you guys had the apportunatie to go to another country to make a better of your self and your family    WOULDNT YOU GO????? i am sure you will.

     

    just think about all of  our famalies we leave behind. juz so we can make anough money to support them.  dont you all think it hurts to spent Chirstmast with out your family?? yes but those are some of the sacrifises we hispanics have to make!!!!Broken Heart

    I wouldn't expect a country to overlook the laws so my family could be happy. I would do it right so I could stay forever and show the country I want to be a part of respect by becoming a citizen.  

     

  •  12-06-2007, 10:47 PM 2253406 in reply to 2251515

    Re: 1804 Big Mistake.

    sandra:

     This 1804 law is sush a mistake!!! What happend to America is a Free Country??? All of you people should understand tha most hispanics arent here because they want to, we are here because in seek of a better future, for us and for our famalies. I was born in Texas, but my parent are illegal. And if it was up to them they would go back to mexico, but they dont leave because of  us. Their kids. because they want a better future for us.they dont want to harm anyone all they want to do is work and make a better of us. the reason that hispanics come here is to work and to help their families. Wouldnt you all do the same thing??? If you guys had the apportunatie to go to another country to make a better of your self and your family    WOULDNT YOU GO????? i am sure you will.

    just think about all of  our famalies we leave behind. juz so we can make anough money to support them.  dont you all think it hurts to spent Chirstmast with out your family?? yes but those are some of the sacrifises we hispanics have to make!!!!Broken Heart

    Lot's of people go away from their families so they can make a living and support their families, Sandra.  It isn't a special circumstance that people from Mexico are doing it to.  The difference is, that when people go from state to state to find work, they are already here legally and are citizens, so they have the freedoms that being a citizen gives to them.  If someone isn't a citizen, they don't have the rights of a citizen.

    Would you want some stranger to come into your family and tell your parents that they have to support them, and even give to them the inheritance that belongs to you, the real children? No!  So, why is it ok for people to come here illegally and then tell the citizens of this country that they deserve the same inheritance that the legal citizens get?

  •  12-19-2007, 11:02 AM 2300623 in reply to 2114747

    Re: 1804 Big Mistake.

     Lets cut to the chase here. I will break it down for some of you. The Hispanics who decide to come to this country and cross the border do so to work because either their families are so poor that they must risk their own life to put food on the table or for  a chance to maybe become a citizen and grasp the American dream. When they cross the border, they walk for days and nights in the desert. Some die. This is not a hike through a forest were there is plenty of water and shade. It is a hot, cold, dry and dangerous path just to come here and do the work that many Americans do not want to do. For example, dish washer, field worker, car washer, stacking rock, any hard labor job that requires being under the sun, in the cold and bending over and lifting more than 10 lbs at a time.

    When they arrive they must seek a job. Door after discriminating door gets slammed in their faces. Until one day luck strikes. Now they have a job and possibly a place to live. What's next? Trying not to get caught. Living every single moment wondering if they will be grabbed and handcuffed and shackled off to a place were everyone speaks a different language and most of them are racist. A constant fear every second of the day. Praying that God allows them at least one more pay check to send home so their families can eat.

    You are saying to yourself, why don't they enter "Legally"? The American Counsulate in Mexico, when they go to apply for a visa they must have money in the bank in Mexico and be a land owner and have relatives in the US who are financially established as well. In other words they have to be very well off to legally come across. In Mexico, you will not find hardley any families who have those availabilities, if they did , then why bother coming here to the US? Now you are thinking, "Well, Mexico's financial situation is not an American problem. Right? Well, America is the land of free. Most of us came from other countries to begin with. This country belongs to the Native Americans and the Mexicans.

    Years go by and they can't see their families because if they go back home they will have to risk their lives to come back to the US. Things must be terrible in their country. I know I would not risk my life and leave my familiy to come to a country were I am treated like a slave and discriminated against just for the fun of it!! Everybody complains that the Hispanics (Illegal) don't have a drivers licences and insurance. If they were allowed to obtain those things, they would. Some of them work and never claim taxes even though they pay FICA, Medicare, and Gov & State Taxes. Where does all that money go? I know where, Bush's pocket. If we send every Hispanic worker back to their countries every American Citizen will pay more taxes, for food, produce, etc. There will be less production in this country. Less production means less money for the low- middle income population.

    People complain that illegals are taking American jobs away from the citizens by working for less money. If I owened a factory and I have to produce a product that must be done in a consice manner. I would pay more to the person who could do the job correctly. Not who works the cheapest. If you hire someone who does very bad work but he works for a minimun salary you would not sell much of your product. However, if you hire someone who does a great job then you will have a successful business. So, if the Hispanics are taking the jobs away from anyone, it is because the do a better job.

    The solution is so simple. Design a program to were the illegals can have a conditional stay in the US and pay the fee's associated with the application process for a two year stay period which in completion of the two years may apply for a four year conditional stay, meaning that during the two to four year stay period they must not be convicted of a crime (felony) and must pay taxes on time and present proof of such. After the four year conditional stay then they could be allowed to apply for citizenship. Now, after that we stop the arrivals of international terrorist by screening whomever lands at our airports,borders and by designing an electronic list of such individuals in a computer data program to were they would have to scan/clear/identify their prints with homeland security (FBI) in order to be allowed access to enter the US. This way we are all safe and everybody is happy.

    Oklahoma and the 1804 bill, I really didn't expect much else from. It does not surprise me one bit that this type of bill would pass in O'KKK"lahoma. Look around, this a very rural area in the US were the population mainly consist of lower education generations. Generations upon generations of racism is a battle not to be won easily.

    We Come in Peace!
  •  12-19-2007, 11:17 AM 2300676 in reply to 2178039

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    francisco:
    might  not b a mistake  for u sunshine  of course  u are an american
    jaja  i aint scared  let ice  take  us back  but u know what 
    lets  talk about  americans  trashing  our country  like acapulco<cancun>?
    how  many  of ure  pple  have done that?
    so just  because u guys  walk in legaly  u guys got the rigth to trash our country  rite?
    yeah  but Mexicanos cant  cross the border ilegal  cause  we are comitng a crime
    u know  there are some of us  who are here  to make a better living and dont mess with no one
    me as a mexicano  im a shame  of all this ignorance  that oklahoma is going true  i hopeu guys  dont regret it 

    ill dare any  american  to cross the border  to mexico  with no money  no credit card  nothing on their wallet  lets  walk as ilegal  and see  how  far  we can go

    but  of course  mexico has the borders  open to any one 
    how many americans  go to mexico an rape  our pple  but of course  is an american
    how many  Blacks  are  robing  hispanics at  little mexico?
    wat is tpd doing about it?  not a damb thing  of course is a mexican 

    Mexicanos  and americans  together  we can stand
    we wont give up  we will fight till the end 
    ohhh  i god we trust
    but  not one the  sherrifs  or tps  cause  tpd  is not targeting hispanics  naaaa
    only  30%  of them  70 %  aint  y  cause  they know  not all of us  are trash like  u sunshine  make us look like  and yeah  i been here since 1996  and  u  guys  will find me e-z



    Eso!! Buen dicho Pancho!!! Diles, no soy de aqui , ni soy de aya, pero aqui donde me gusta y ME VOY A QUEDAR!!!!!!

    We Come in Peace!
  •  12-19-2007, 11:56 AM 2300836 in reply to 2300676

    Re: 1804 Big Mistake.

    AlienPeace07:

    Eso!! Buen dicho Pancho!!! Diles, no soy de aqui , ni soy de aya, pero aqui donde me gusta y ME VOY A QUEDAR!!!!!!

    Pregunte a indios qué sucede cuando usted no controla la inmigración.

    Now being respectful to THE USA since it is an ENGLISH SPEAKING COUNTRY, except for the rude people that claim to want to be American and refuse to speak English, I said.

    Ask the indians what happens when you do not control immigration

    http://www.weirdoklahoma.com/
  •  12-19-2007, 4:04 PM 2301892 in reply to 2178039

    Re: 1804 Big Mistake.

    might  not b a mistake  for u sunshine  of course  u are an american
    You are right-It is not a mistake because I do not break the law on a daily basis

    lets  talk about  americans  trashing  our country  like acapulco<cancun>?
    how  many  of ure  pple  have done that?
     I can't say that I have because I have never been there

    so just  because u guys  walk in legaly  u guys got the rigth to trash our country  rite?
    I don't believe that anyone here has said that is proper or right.

    yeah  but Mexicanos cant  cross the border ilegal  cause  we are comitng a crime
    No they should not. Crossing the border is illegal & it is against the law in the U.S. it is a crime

    u know  there are some of us  who are here  to make a better living and dont mess with no one
    I am sure some illegal people are here for that reason, but I believe-along with many others- if you want to do that then follow the laws and do it properly.

    how many americans  go to mexico an rape  our pple  but of course  is an american
    Pure speculation-I am sure some of this goes on & that is wrong, but the Mexican government should deal with it.  Comparing crime rates in Mexico to the U.S. really serves no purpose here.  Crime is wrong regardless-I am sure we can agree on that.

    how many  Blacks  are  robing  hispanics at  little mexico?
    wat is tpd doing about it?  not a damb thing  of course is a mexican 

    Again, speculation.  You are also making a blanket statement that blacks are robbing people in Little Mexico (is that east Tulsa?) anyway 1. You are assuming because they are black that they are citizens, and yes they may be but also they may not.  Perhaps they are also from another country.  That is possible.  But to make a blanket statement that blacks are robbing hispanics is ridiculous.  Crimes happen by caucasians, black, asian, hispanic and any other minority you can think of. Just because a person is a member of a certain race does not automatically make them a crook, nor does it automatically make them a good person.  You are lumping all black people into the catagory of a crook and that is wrong.

  •  12-19-2007, 4:13 PM 2301930 in reply to 2251515

    Re: 1804 Big Mistake.

    American is a free country if you are a legal citizen.  I understand people come here to seek a better future, but if your parents had seriously considered the fall out (affect on you and your siblings) of coming here illegally and breaking the law-you would not be in the position you are today.  You would not have to worry about them being deported during the holidays. I am sure it is upsetting to be away from loved ones on the holidays, but again-we all live by the choices we make. 

    If I had the opportunity to give my family a better life, I would, but I guarantee you I would do it legally.  I work & study hard to support my family as a single mother and have done so successfully. 

    I am sorry for the families you leave behind, yes.  My question would be "Did you (your parents) not consider that before you entered this country illegally & chose to live here breaking the law daily? 

  •  12-19-2007, 4:20 PM 2301958 in reply to 2300676

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     they know  not all of us  are trash like  u sunshine  make us look like 

    I never once said all hispanics are trash.  If you believe that-show me where I said it. 

    You won't because I didn't.

     

    If you have been here snce 1996-then you have had enough time to become a legal citizen.  I hope you have.

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