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1804 Big Mistake.
Last post 04-23-2008, 11:44 PM by ariel. 56 replies.
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11-23-2007, 10:47 PM |
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ashleynicole:I'm tired of all of you racist people out there. If you have a problem with them maybe you should go not them. We don't want you here. I'm an american citizen and i love hispanics. They are the best human beings in the world. And, a matter of fact we all once came here illegally go back into your history books dumbass... well that's all i wanted to say your a racist *** but, i bet you wouldn't say that out in public. You'll get your ****** beat.
I'm not sure if you are mad at the people who are for housebill 1804 or if you are mad at someone else, ashley.
I don't think the issue has anything to do with "love". I believe the issue is about breaking the law. It just happens that many illegal immigrants are hispanic. A person can still love and care about human beings, but also feel it's wrong to allow them to get away with breaking the law. America isn't a repository for everyone who just wants to come here. We don't have unlimited resources, either, so we have to limit who can come here legally, and we do that by having immigration laws.
Every other country in the world has it's own immigration laws, so why is it a shock that the US has immigration laws, too?
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11-24-2007, 8:23 AM |
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kindagreywolf
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We should look at the WHOLE picture.
Ask the borders of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas, if they mind illegals crossing the border. They do not mind the trash they leave all over, there buildings broken into and stuff stolen. Not to mention the sewers, water pipes and whatever else they damage to get through.
Now there here and most (not all) of them get cars, without licenses and insurance. Ask the people that are hit by these idiots if it's ok. They love the thousands of dollars that they have to pay out of there pockets, because some jerk hit them without insurance.
Please, don't cry and moan that our roads, our schools, our police, and everything else that is in disrepair can't be fixed because Illegals and the people that hire them do not pay taxes.
Please don't complain if you have to wait in the E.R. because a couple of illegalls are there, then cry because you have a high hospital bill because they have to get there money from someone else.
9 times out of 10 if your afraid of the law, it is because you are doing something illegal. "I'm a legal immigrant but I am afraid that I am going to get caught without a license and be deported", How retarded is that? It is 100% retarded unless there is some law that makes Hispanics immune to having a license, By the way, that would be "Racist".
The bill is far from rascist. We have illegal Chinese, Iragians, Iranians, Russians, Etc here to. Down south it is mostly Hispanics.
This racism crap needs to stop to. Not everything has to do with race, especially when your participating in ILLEGAL activities.
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12-05-2007, 1:19 PM |
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kaykay
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I am a born legal American citizen and have Hispanic friends who completely understand that this law is to target illegals period. Accusations and representations are only because people are determined to fight to do exactly what we are trying to stop which is illegal entry to this state. I am personally aware of good paying construction jobs in this area that are available for legal hard working people. If someone wishes to come to America to work and live then get a work visa to be here legally and start the process of becoming a legal citizen as have ALL OF THE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS THIS COUNTRY IS BASED ON of which many are Hispanic.
The people (not the race) who are fighting to be illegal are not helping their cause.
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12-06-2007, 2:43 PM |
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sandra
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This 1804 law is sush a mistake!!! What happend to America is a Free Country??? All of you people should understand tha most hispanics arent here because they want to, we are here because in seek of a better future, for us and for our famalies. I was born in Texas, but my parent are illegal. And if it was up to them they would go back to mexico, but they dont leave because of us. Their kids. because they want a better future for us.they dont want to harm anyone all they want to do is work and make a better of us. the reason that hispanics come here is to work and to help their families. Wouldnt you all do the same thing??? If you guys had the apportunatie to go to another country to make a better of your self and your family WOULDNT YOU GO????? i am sure you will.
just think about all of our famalies we leave behind. juz so we can make anough money to support them. dont you all think it hurts to spent Chirstmast with out your family?? yes but those are some of the sacrifises we hispanics have to make!!!!
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12-06-2007, 3:33 PM |
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sandra:
This 1804 law is sush a mistake!!! What happend to America is a Free Country??? All of you people should understand tha most hispanics arent here because they want to, we are here because in seek of a better future, for us and for our famalies. I was born in Texas, but my parent are illegal. And if it was up to them they would go back to mexico, but they dont leave because of us. Their kids. because they want a better future for us.they dont want to harm anyone all they want to do is work and make a better of us. the reason that hispanics come here is to work and to help their families. Wouldnt you all do the same thing??? If you guys had the apportunatie to go to another country to make a better of your self and your family WOULDNT YOU GO????? i am sure you will.
just think about all of our famalies we leave behind. juz so we can make anough money to support them. dont you all think it hurts to spent Chirstmast with out your family?? yes but those are some of the sacrifises we hispanics have to make!!!!
I wouldn't expect a country to overlook the laws so my family could be happy. I would do it right so I could stay forever and show the country I want to be a part of respect by becoming a citizen.
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12-06-2007, 10:47 PM |
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sandra:
This 1804 law is sush a mistake!!! What happend to America is a Free Country??? All of you people should understand tha most hispanics arent here because they want to, we are here because in seek of a better future, for us and for our famalies. I was born in Texas, but my parent are illegal. And if it was up to them they would go back to mexico, but they dont leave because of us. Their kids. because they want a better future for us.they dont want to harm anyone all they want to do is work and make a better of us. the reason that hispanics come here is to work and to help their families. Wouldnt you all do the same thing??? If you guys had the apportunatie to go to another country to make a better of your self and your family WOULDNT YOU GO????? i am sure you will.
just think about all of our famalies we leave behind. juz so we can make anough money to support them. dont you all think it hurts to spent Chirstmast with out your family?? yes but those are some of the sacrifises we hispanics have to make!!!!
Lot's of people go away from their families so they can make a living and support their families, Sandra. It isn't a special circumstance that people from Mexico are doing it to. The difference is, that when people go from state to state to find work, they are already here legally and are citizens, so they have the freedoms that being a citizen gives to them. If someone isn't a citizen, they don't have the rights of a citizen.
Would you want some stranger to come into your family and tell your parents that they have to support them, and even give to them the inheritance that belongs to you, the real children? No! So, why is it ok for people to come here illegally and then tell the citizens of this country that they deserve the same inheritance that the legal citizens get?
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12-19-2007, 11:02 AM |
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Lets cut to the chase here. I will break it down for some of you. The Hispanics who decide to come to this country and cross the border do so to work because either their families are so poor that they must risk their own life to put food on the table or for a chance to maybe become a citizen and grasp the American dream. When they cross the border, they walk for days and nights in the desert. Some die. This is not a hike through a forest were there is plenty of water and shade. It is a hot, cold, dry and dangerous path just to come here and do the work that many Americans do not want to do. For example, dish washer, field worker, car washer, stacking rock, any hard labor job that requires being under the sun, in the cold and bending over and lifting more than 10 lbs at a time.
When they arrive they must seek a job. Door after discriminating door gets slammed in their faces. Until one day luck strikes. Now they have a job and possibly a place to live. What's next? Trying not to get caught. Living every single moment wondering if they will be grabbed and handcuffed and shackled off to a place were everyone speaks a different language and most of them are racist. A constant fear every second of the day. Praying that God allows them at least one more pay check to send home so their families can eat.
You are saying to yourself, why don't they enter "Legally"? The American Counsulate in Mexico, when they go to apply for a visa they must have money in the bank in Mexico and be a land owner and have relatives in the US who are financially established as well. In other words they have to be very well off to legally come across. In Mexico, you will not find hardley any families who have those availabilities, if they did , then why bother coming here to the US? Now you are thinking, "Well, Mexico's financial situation is not an American problem. Right? Well, America is the land of free. Most of us came from other countries to begin with. This country belongs to the Native Americans and the Mexicans.
Years go by and they can't see their families because if they go back home they will have to risk their lives to come back to the US. Things must be terrible in their country. I know I would not risk my life and leave my familiy to come to a country were I am treated like a slave and discriminated against just for the fun of it!! Everybody complains that the Hispanics (Illegal) don't have a drivers licences and insurance. If they were allowed to obtain those things, they would. Some of them work and never claim taxes even though they pay FICA, Medicare, and Gov & State Taxes. Where does all that money go? I know where, Bush's pocket. If we send every Hispanic worker back to their countries every American Citizen will pay more taxes, for food, produce, etc. There will be less production in this country. Less production means less money for the low- middle income population.
People complain that illegals are taking American jobs away from the citizens by working for less money. If I owened a factory and I have to produce a product that must be done in a consice manner. I would pay more to the person who could do the job correctly. Not who works the cheapest. If you hire someone who does very bad work but he works for a minimun salary you would not sell much of your product. However, if you hire someone who does a great job then you will have a successful business. So, if the Hispanics are taking the jobs away from anyone, it is because the do a better job.
The solution is so simple. Design a program to were the illegals can have a conditional stay in the US and pay the fee's associated with the application process for a two year stay period which in completion of the two years may apply for a four year conditional stay, meaning that during the two to four year stay period they must not be convicted of a crime (felony) and must pay taxes on time and present proof of such. After the four year conditional stay then they could be allowed to apply for citizenship. Now, after that we stop the arrivals of international terrorist by screening whomever lands at our airports,borders and by designing an electronic list of such individuals in a computer data program to were they would have to scan/clear/identify their prints with homeland security (FBI) in order to be allowed access to enter the US. This way we are all safe and everybody is happy.
Oklahoma and the 1804 bill, I really didn't expect much else from. It does not surprise me one bit that this type of bill would pass in O'KKK"lahoma. Look around, this a very rural area in the US were the population mainly consist of lower education generations. Generations upon generations of racism is a battle not to be won easily.
We Come in Peace!
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12-19-2007, 11:56 AM |
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AlienPeace07: Eso!! Buen dicho Pancho!!! Diles, no soy de aqui , ni soy de aya, pero aqui donde me gusta y ME VOY A QUEDAR!!!!!!
Pregunte a indios qué sucede cuando usted no controla la
inmigración. Now being respectful to THE USA since it is an ENGLISH SPEAKING COUNTRY, except for the rude people that claim to want to be American and refuse to speak English, I said. Ask the indians what happens when you do not control immigration
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12-19-2007, 4:04 PM |
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Sunshine
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might not b a mistake for u sunshine of course u are an american You are right-It is not a mistake because I do not break the law on a daily basis
lets talk about americans trashing our country like acapulco<cancun>? how many of ure pple have done that? I can't say that I have because I have never been there
so just because u guys walk in legaly u guys got the rigth to trash our country rite? I don't believe that anyone here has said that is proper or right.
yeah but Mexicanos cant cross the border ilegal cause we are comitng a crime No they should not. Crossing the border is illegal & it is against the law in the U.S. it is a crime
u know there are some of us who are here to make a better living and dont mess with no one I am sure some illegal people are here for that reason, but I believe-along with many others- if you want to do that then follow the laws and do it properly.
how many americans go to mexico an rape our pple but of course is an american Pure speculation-I am sure some of this goes on & that is wrong, but the Mexican government should deal with it. Comparing crime rates in Mexico to the U.S. really serves no purpose here. Crime is wrong regardless-I am sure we can agree on that.
how many Blacks are robing hispanics at little mexico? wat is tpd doing about it? not a damb thing of course is a mexican
Again, speculation. You are also making a blanket statement that blacks are robbing people in Little Mexico (is that east Tulsa?) anyway 1. You are assuming because they are black that they are citizens, and yes they may be but also they may not. Perhaps they are also from another country. That is possible. But to make a blanket statement that blacks are robbing hispanics is ridiculous. Crimes happen by caucasians, black, asian, hispanic and any other minority you can think of. Just because a person is a member of a certain race does not automatically make them a crook, nor does it automatically make them a good person. You are lumping all black people into the catagory of a crook and that is wrong.
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12-19-2007, 4:13 PM |
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Sunshine
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American is a free country if you are a legal citizen. I understand people come here to seek a better future, but if your parents had seriously considered the fall out (affect on you and your siblings) of coming here illegally and breaking the law-you would not be in the position you are today. You would not have to worry about them being deported during the holidays. I am sure it is upsetting to be away from loved ones on the holidays, but again-we all live by the choices we make.
If I had the opportunity to give my family a better life, I would, but I guarantee you I would do it legally. I work & study hard to support my family as a single mother and have done so successfully.
I am sorry for the families you leave behind, yes. My question would be "Did you (your parents) not consider that before you entered this country illegally & chose to live here breaking the law daily?
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12-19-2007, 4:20 PM |
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Sunshine
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they know not all of us are trash like u sunshine make us look like
I never once said all hispanics are trash. If you believe that-show me where I said it.
You won't because I didn't.
If you have been here snce 1996-then you have had enough time to become a legal citizen. I hope you have.
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